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homie

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Let's look at Dutching today

What is Dutching?

Put simply, it is covering all the eventualities in one event with the aim of making a profit, but most often minimising your qualifying loss. So in football you would need to back: Team 1 win, Draw, and Team 2 win, with three different bookies, so all eventualities are covered. It is useful because there is no commission to pay as you dont need the exchanges for this.

This is how I use dutching to help me with football offers.

Tonights Football. Arsenal V Chelsea

First I find all the offers. I can chose from WH 4MM, Paddy 2up, Bet365 2up, Betstars 80 min refund plus extra offers tonight from B365 and Betfred for bet before the match and get free bet to use inplay.

The B365 offer is as good as it gets. Bet up to £50 (depending on the offer they give you, it might be less) and get an equal amount free to use in play. This also qualifies for the 2up early pay out offer.

Betfred have a similar but less generous offer of Bet £10 get £5, still worth doing.

There are dutching matchers available but I prefer to do it manually. I use https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league To find the bookies with the best odds. You can see here that paddy are letting the side down a bit, all their odds are lower than their competitors, so I will give them a miss. Will Hill are also not so good tonight either. I definitely want to use B365 so I look to see how I can combine their odds with other bookies. It looks to me like the best combination for offers would be:

Bet 365 - Chelsea,
Betfred- Draw
Bet Stars - Arsenal

There are plenty of other combinations you could try, and you can always use any book maker, they dont have to be giving an offer. (but its nice if they do)
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Now I need to work out how much to bet on each outcome. Odds monkey has a useful calculator for this. (perhaps PA users can advise if they have the same) https://www.oddsmonkey.com/Tools/Calculators/DutchingCalculator.aspx

Set it to Decimal odds and 3 selections. I like to set my stake as my first selection, beacuse I know I want to bet £25 with Bet365 to take full advantage of the offer. Fill in all the odds and odds monkey will calculate how much you need to bet. If you don't want to bet odd amounts set the rounding to £1.

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So I can see I need to bet:
£25 with B365 on Chelsea @ 2.5
£18 with BetFred on Draw @ 3.5
£21 with Betstars on Arsenal @3.

There can only be one outcome so the qualifying loss will be at most £1.50 if Chelsea win, or £1 if its draw or arsenal.

Thats pretty good for a guaranteed £25 free bet, £5 free bet and possibility of more winnings if Chelsea go 2up or if Arsenal lead at 80 mins and then throw it away.

If you're doing these offers tonight remember the B365 and betfred free bets are for in play on this match only. Just back and lay the best odds match you can find during half time.

I really need to learn how to do screen recording and put something on youtube as its easier to talk through it rather than type it all but hopefully that explains a little bit how it works.
 

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Mark Davies

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Brilliant post homie.

Unfortunately Bet365 have limited my stake to £10 on the free in play offers they do.

In the past I used to do the first pre match bet as an over 0.5 goals and the inplay bet as no goalscorer in match (effectively a 0-0 bet).

Obviously these betters cancel eachother out so guaranteed profit either way, but if the 0-0 comes in you can win a whopper off a £50 stake.
 

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I really need to learn how to do screen recording and put something on youtube as its easier to talk through it rather than type it all but hopefully that explains a little bit how it works.

Thanks for taking the time to write these posts @homie :)

You could try Screencast-O-Matic for recording your screen and uploading to YouTube. I've been using it for uTest. I had no idea about generating screencasts before then but I've found this bit of software invaluable and it's popular with uTesters. You can try it for free or pay $18 for the pro version for a year. I eventually upgraded to the pro version and it's been worth every penny as the videos look much more professional without the Screencast-O-Matic watermark.

There are tutorials on the site but here's one specifically for YouTube

http://help.screencast-o-matic.com/#details-co6hFtf9Pe

Looking forward to your next post :cool:
 
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If you have a mac you can record your screen + add voice recording to it on the fly and then just upload the video to youtube
 

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Tip of the day.

Try to place your horse racing bets so they qualify for Best Odds Guaranteed.

Best Odds Guaranteed - often known as BOG means that if the horses price drifts up after you've placed your bet some bookmakers will guarantee to pay out at the higher rate.

For example, if we back and lay £10 as normal on Dave the horse at odds of 6.0 at 9am, but then his price drifts during the morning and his starting price is 8.0 the bookmaker will pay us out at 8.0. As we layed £10 at 6.0 Our liablilty hasn't changed so we will get a nice unexpected extra £20 in our winnings.

This doesn't happen very often, as horses that drift don't often go on to win but it is worth being aware of because its a nice little bonus when it does happen. There is no special action to take, just back and lay do as you do normally when betting for offers or making mug bets but be aware of the times below that the big book makers offer BOG from and try to place your bets after this time if you can.

Not all bookies offer BOG, but theses are the ones that do and the time it is valid from.

10bet 8am
12bet 9am
188 10am
888 8am
betstars 8am
coral 8am
sky 8am
dafabet 8am
bet365 10am
betfred 8am
boyles 8am
william hill 8am
stan james 10am (you have to opt in for bog first somewhere in settings in your account)
betbright 8am
tote 8am
leovegas 10am
myclubbetting 9am
ladbrokes 9am
betway 9am
paddy power (seems to be from any time)
betvictor (seems to be from any time)

If its not on this list either they don't offer BOG or I couldn't find any information on it, or its a bookie i've never dealt with.
 

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Skybet Saturday price boost

Here's an easy way to make an extra pound or two each week, while also helping you towards the Skybet weekly free bet club.

From Friday each week Sky always do a soccer accumulator with boosted odds. A lot of newbies miss these beacuse they don't like to mess around with accumulators, but in this case it's very easy.

This weeks offer.

https://m.skybet.com/football/soccer-special-price-boost/event/21584402

Tottenham, Wolves and Aston Villa all to win @ 5.0

These matches all take part at the same time so we can't lay them one at a time like you normally would want to with an accumulator. But betfair has an accumulator market for triples, so we can lay it there. Note that it is a mixed league acca, so normally you couldn't do it, however, Betfair know what side their bread is buttered and put up a special acca market that matches the skybet acca exactly. You can find it under Premier league/Special Acca. Here is the direct link. https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/football/market/1.137809211

Its quite a good one this week. Odds at the moment are back @ 5.0 lay @ 3.65 (although these will move about)

So all you need to do is.
1. Back the acca at sky for £10 (some people find they are restricted to small bets, so hopefully you are not)
2. Lay the special acca with the same teams at betfair. Using a calculator in normal mode gives us a lay of £13.89 @ odds of 3.65 which is a guaranteed profit of £3.20 after commission.

Very quick and easy to do once you know where to look.


Additional:
You could bet and lay more, £20 would double your profit but I worry about taking too much value from the bookies and risk restrictions/gubbing.
If you know about football and think all 3 teams will win you could underlay to go for more profit. In this case, for a £10 bet a lay of £10.50 will cover your commission and give you nearly £12 profit if they all win or break even for any other outcome.

Good luck!
This is really helpful to know. I am trying to get into Matched Betting (not quite there yet) but I have done accumulators a couple times and won a nice sum.
 

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it seems a lot of effort for a lot of the offers, when the profit is around £2. I was really excited when doing the sign up offers but now I;ve done them it just seems that I am not going to make much profit, or have a lot of money tied up for very little profit
 

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It's easy to dismiss the £2-3 boosts etc, but for example, I did the Sky one for tomorrow earlier, it took me about 2 mins in total to bet and lay, every week that's a nice extra no effort.

There are lots of reloads worth a lot more than that, but a lot of those are speculative - so betting on football or horses and getting a free bet if you get a certain outcome. Key with these is only take low qualifying losses, if you do this, you're going to end up in profit. Once you're in the habit it's not much work.
 

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I did it for just over a year then had a bit of a break (for various reasons not because MB was no good) - just got back on it recently.
 

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@homie I have just found this brilliant thread. Thanks for it. It's a great help.
 

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Brilliant post homie.

Unfortunately Bet365 have limited my stake to £10 on the free in play offers they do.

In the past I used to do the first pre match bet as an over 0.5 goals and the inplay bet as no goalscorer in match (effectively a 0-0 bet).

Obviously these betters cancel eachother out so guaranteed profit either way, but if the 0-0 comes in you can win a whopper off a £50 stake.

Hi, @Mark Davies :) Am interested in trying this, when I join Bet365. Do you lay both the bets off or not? Thanks
 

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I would never bet against myself in the same match on a regular basis unless that In Play is placed late (ie 2nd half) and I would definitely expect that to catch a bookies eye eventually, possibly even leading me to get stake restricted - just sayin ;)
 

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Hi, @Pbrail :) Not sure if your answer in response to my query to MarkDavies post?

I thought it was probably one of these offers where you bet on a certain game, then get an in-play FB on the same match. If that is the case, then surely you would 9/10 be placing a different bet from the first - or are you expected to just place the same?

Thanks
 

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Hi, @Pbrail :) Not sure if your answer in response to my query to MarkDavies post?

I thought it was probably one of these offers where you bet on a certain game, then get an in-play FB on the same match. If that is the case, then surely you would 9/10 be placing a different bet from the first - or are you expected to just place the same?

Thanks

It's fine to place a different bet on the same match, but what you should avoid is placing 2 *opposite* bets that basically cancel each other out.

A realistic exception to this is if you're placing an In Play bet and it's well into the 2nd half - your first bet has almost certainly lost (from the bookies point of view), and you place a second bet that's in conflict to your first because it then can look like you're chasing your losses.

So, lets say a footie match between Arsenal and Spurs is taking place.

You place a bet before the match for Spurs to win.

You then get your In Play bet.

If you now place a bet on Arsenal to win then it looks weird, because why would you bet on Arsenal to win when you've already bet on Spurs. The 2 bets are in conflict with each other (unless, as I say, it's late in the game. If Arsenal were winning 2-0, you might switch up your bet to try and recoup on your original bet).

You could however, place a Correct score bet though like 2-1 to Spurs, which will be longer odds for your free bet and complement your original bet.

Bookies expect people to place bets in order to win money - ie gamble. When you place 2 bets where it's physically impossible for both of the bets to win then it stands out, especially if you do the same scenario over and over. And one thing a Matched Bettor doesn't want to do is stand out to a bookie.

Does that makes sense?
 
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That makes perfect sense, thank you for explaining it so eloquently @Pbrail :). I don't do many in-play bets as I can't always be on the pc at the time and the odds change too quickly for me. I have been caught out before in the past through that.

I know the general consensus is to wait until half-time, which I tend to do on the rare occasions I attempt them.
 
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