2 Up Question

[Boom Boom]

I am thinking about moving onto 2 up offers. However, want to clarify something. For example on Paddy, if my team goes 2-0 - Paddy are meant to automatically pay out or do I have to claim it somehow? I assume I have to basically watch the entire match and then continually check my balance to see if they have paid out?

 

[Stims]

They will pay out automatically. You don't need to watch the game just keep an eye on the scores.

If you don't want to cashout and hope the team who takes the 2-0 lead does not win, then you don't even need to watch the scores.

 

[Boom Boom]

They will pay out automatically. You don't need to watch the game just keep an eye on the scores.

If you don't want to cashout and hope the team who takes the 2-0 lead does not win, then you don't even need to watch the scores.

So, some people will just place bets on matches and leave it hoping it comes good?

 

[mabozza]

Good thread, i too am now looking into doing 2 up on Bet 365, my question is is there a list of which games are A eligible or B hot or C any game at all, and is there something you need to opt in on Bet 365 to get this or will every mug/qualifier bet be valid?

 

[Boom Boom]

Also, there is no minimum odds or stakes?

 

[homie]

Good thread, i too am now looking into doing 2 up on Bet 365, my question is is there a list of which games are A eligible or B hot or C any game at all, and is there something you need to opt in on Bet 365 to get this or will every mug/qualifier bet be valid?

No need to opt in.
Its on all games in these leagues: English Premier League, English Championship, English FA Cup, English EFL Cup, Spanish Primera Liga, Italian Serie A and German Bundesliga as well as Group Stage matches from the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League.

Its pretty much down to luck if it works out so go for games that are a close match on the oddschecker - but avoid ones with very low odds where there is likely to be a clear winner.

 

[Wibble]

The eligible leagues for Bet365 2up are:

English Premier League
English Championship
Italian Serie A
Germany Bundesliga
Spain La Liga

also

Champions League
Europa League
&
FA Cup
English League Cup

Not sure about Paddy cos I'm gubbed booo.

No minimum odds, but no real point taking say Man City at home v Burnley; they were 1.08 ish I think yesterday, at 2-0 up their odds would have been < 1.01 ie no value there, and a very small chance of a comeback from Burnley if you were leaving the bets run.

No maximum stakes as far as I'm aware, the most I stake though is £300 but lots of people on Oddsmonkey forums do alot more than that. I try and stick to winning £300 ish, so £300 @ evens, £150 @ 3.0, £100 @ 4.0 etc.

You can 'cash out' every 2-0 up you get at 2-0, or leave them all run and hope for the comeback, or do a combination of both, eg 'cash out' @ 25% at 2-0, 50% at 2-1, 25% @ 2-2.

Whichever method you choose, the expected return should (!) be the same over the long run, however the variance will be very different.
Either you will have lots of small qualifying losses, with regular small wins by 'cashing out' @ 2-0, or lots of small qualifying losses and much less frequent, but much much bigger wins, if you leave the bets run and hope for the 2-2 comeback.
I don't think there is an opt in for this on Bet365 but I am old and my memory is um oo what was I taking about?

If you are just starting I would recommend the Champions League matches this week, forget the Europa League on Thursday, and have another go on the Premier League and start building a betting profile with a few higher profile match bets on the European Leagues and the Championship over the weekend. Also don't jump in betting £thousands from the off, build up the number of bets per week and the stakes gradually.

The Bet365 offer is due to end 31st December last time I checked, but they did the same last season and extended it before it expired.

Are you guys on OddsMonkey, there are some good threads and tools on there, not sure about Profit Accumulator but assume they have the same.

 

[homie]

Also, there is no minimum odds or stakes?

No but backing a very good team against a weak team is pretty pointless as the weak team are unlikely to equalise and make the bet profitable. I usually go for odds around 1.6 to 3

 

[mabozza]

No need to opt in.
Its on all games in these leagues: English Premier League, English Championship, English FA Cup, English EFL Cup, Spanish Primera Liga, Italian Serie A and German Bundesliga as well as Group Stage matches from the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League.

Its pretty much down to luck if it works out so go for games that are a close match on the oddschecker - but avoid ones with very low odds where there is likely to be a clear winner.

Cheers Homie so looking at odds around 3.0ish really

 

[Stims]

Cheers Homie so looking at odds around 3.0ish really

That would be the idea.

The higher odds you take the better the 'cashout' option will be if the tame goes 2-0 up. For example i had £100 back and layed on Derby last night (odds 4.0). At 2up i could have traded out to guarantee myself £100 profit... as it happens i left it and came away with zilch. Of course had West Brom come back, or even scored 1 sooner, the cashout would have been much higher.

 

[Boom Boom]

I thought I read somewhere that Paddy pay automatically if it goes 2-0? So, you have to actually press cashout?

 

[homie]

I thought I read somewhere that Paddy pay automatically if it goes 2-0? So, you have to actually press cashout?

No. In matched betting you never cash out at the bookies. Paddy will pay you automatically if it goes 2 up, if you want to cash out (or you could call it lock in) some of your profit you need to BACK the team to win on the exchange.

OM have a 2up calculator you can use to help. If you're not a member there is a rip off of it here:
https://www.matchedbettingforums.com/2up-lock-in-calculator/
and some instructions to help here:
https://www.teamprofit.com/2up-calculator

 

[mabozza]

I THINK i just got my first 2up win... i think, On Bet365 had Man U to win, they went 2 up and Bet 365 paid out, i then went to Smarkets and hit the "Trade Out" button and i think i got money back.... that sound right? (Cant be sure on Smarkets as had a few bets on, but on my Smarkets account for that game under settled it now has "For Man U... Won £33.64", and also "Against Man U Lost £19.44")

 

[homie]

I THINK i just got my first 2up win... i think, On Bet365 had Man U to win, they went 2 up and Bet 365 paid out, i then went to Smarkets and hit the "Trade Out" button and i think i got money back.... that sound right? (Cant be sure on Smarkets as had a few bets on, but on my Smarkets account for that game under settled it now has "For Man U... Won £33.64", and also "Against Man U Lost £19.44")

Sounds like you made a profit. Congrats. I would place the back bet manually though so you can control exactly what you are doing, rather than using the trade out function. especially if you have other bets running in the same market.

 

[Cas]

I THINK i just got my first 2up win... i think, On Bet365 had Man U to win, they went 2 up and Bet 365 paid out, i then went to Smarkets and hit the "Trade Out" button and i think i got money back.... that sound right? (Cant be sure on Smarkets as had a few bets on, but on my Smarkets account for that game under settled it now has "For Man U... Won £33.64", and also "Against Man U Lost £19.44")

definitely use the calculator . so that you can work how much money you made .

sometimes you might want cashout only 50%.

can potentially earn a lot more if the other team scores.

 

[mabozza]

Sounds like you made a profit. Congrats. I would place the back bet manually though so you can control exactly what you are doing, rather than using the trade out function. especially if you have other bets running in the same market.

So... do you mean when the Bet 365 back team goes 2 up. i should place a back bet on them at smarkets? Amd let the Lay bet run its course? can you do that? back and lay same team on Smarkets?

 

[mabozza]

definitely use the calculator . so that you can work how much money you made .

sometimes you might want cashout only 50%.

can potentially earn a lot more if the other team scores.

Which calculator Cas? i thought you just hit trade out if the team you backed went 2 up.... dont remember getting the option to trade out an increment... Sure it was trade out yes or no? Other team DID score and it ended up 2-1 ... i know would have got more at Smarkets had the lay bet won (As in it ended up 2-2 or Man U got beat....

 

[homie]

@mabozza - This

No. In matched betting you never cash out at the bookies. Paddy will pay you automatically if it goes 2 up, if you want to cash out (or you could call it lock in) some of your profit you need to BACK the team to win on the exchange.

OM have a 2up calculator you can use to help. If you're not a member there is a rip off of it here:
https://www.matchedbettingforums.com/2up-lock-in-calculator/
and some instructions to help here:
https://www.teamprofit.com/2up-calculator

 

[mabozza]

@mabozza - This

Cheers Homie... TBH cant make head nor tails of that, i put in what i staked and price at Bet 365 on Inter just now, then put in what i staked and price at Smarkets... Clicked YES to has the bookie paid out (which they did) but nothing happens on the calculator.... So have just traded out at Smarkets and now i have a back bet on Inter at 1.16 for £51.71 AND a lay bet on Inter at 3.1 for £19.35... my balance went up about £8 ...all very confusing

 

[Knopfler]

Good thread, i too am now looking into doing 2 up on Bet 365,is there something you need to opt in on Bet 365 to get this or will every mug/qualifier bet be valid?

Guys, you need to check your Bet365 to see if you get the offer (I know you will Mabozza):

"You can see a full list of your available offers by logging in and selecting the Offers section on mobile or the Promotions section on desktop"