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True martay, wikaniko is different in that its one of the only if not the only big mlm company that let's you sell on eBay and offers drop shipping, however could you not just find a wholesaler who drop ships, post their products on eBay, and earn 50% plus of the profits - and some sellers mark up a lot more than 50% - instead of 25% or whatever wikaniko pay you (25% is the mlm industry standard % commission). Surely after you've paid your eBay (10%) and PayPal (5%) fees there can't be much profit left for you? Does wikaniko charge you for the postage also?

I think what appeals about wikaniko for you most is the social validation and the feeling that you are a part of something - am I right?
 

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Juice plus always amuses me :D I worked with someone who was into it and was absolutely convinced she was getting her five a day just by taking one of their little pills :D we used to say to her if that's the case then why isn't this stuff available on the NHS?! :D but she still couldn't see it
 

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martay said:
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MLM is NOT my thing!

Yet, ironically, Clixsense is a type of MLM :eek:

;)

Clixsense has made me over £1,000 in the last few months, while doing no work at all myself. Sounds like a lot less work than other MLMs. All I do is have my referral link here, and on my website. It takes care of itself. I don't spam anyone and I certainly don't have to post on Facebook pages ;)

Let me rephrase what I said: Spamming people and bleating on and on about just one income source is NOT my thing ;D
 

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Some people seem to just go from one to another and so make enough before sales start dropping.
Not really my thing. I did Cabouchon years ago which was jewellery I liked anyway. That isn't around anymore.
Then I did a travel one but that went downhill.
I did do Forever Living years ago which I thoroughly enjoyed and the stuff is so much better and more quality that any health shops.
I plan to get back into that for my own use. I am not into going around selling things. Forever Living now have a website anyway so that makes it easy. Since I like Aloe Vera anyway I may as well get it cheaper by being involved in it as they give a good discount.
If you like a particular product anyway and are going to want to use it then that is what allot of people do even if they are not interested in the selling part. I know a few people who only buy for their own purposes.
I make easy money from Clixsense and that suits me and once I go ahead with Forever Living I will just do the same for the link to the online shop as I have done with my ClixSense Url put it in my signature and mention it on my Blog and leave it at that.
I like Clixsense because I can earn from it easily on my own and with Forever Living I like the products and will use them and get discounts so it is cheaper for me in the long run to buy it from there.
 

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sparkleandshine said:
Cabouchon was bought by kleeneze but they have never relaunched it weird that they bought it but then never did anything with it.

I didn't know that. It was years ago but all I remember was we had something through the post at the time to all the distributors to say that it was shutting which was very disappointing at the time.
Odd that Kleeneze bought it then didn't do anything with it.
 

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sparkleandshine said:
True martay, wikaniko is different in that its one of the only if not the only big mlm company that let's you sell on eBay and offers drop shipping, however could you not just find a wholesaler who drop ships, post their products on eBay, and earn 50% plus of the profits - and some sellers mark up a lot more than 50% - instead of 25% or whatever wikaniko pay you (25% is the mlm industry standard % commission). Surely after you've paid your eBay (10%) and PayPal (5%) fees there can't be much profit left for you? Does wikaniko charge you for the postage also?

I think what appeals about wikaniko for you most is the social validation and the feeling that you are a part of something - am I right?

I have not yet found a dropshipper that supplies the same products on a dropship basis.

You're correct that after fees etc, profit can be slim, around 10-15%, I have yet to invest much time in it though and it is not the only way I will be selling products, just happens to be a real easy way.

And no, social validation or being part of something is not the reason. At the moment, I am an outcast within the company, so "being part of something" per se, is not the reason for me being with them.

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MLM is NOT my thing!

Yet, ironically, Clixsense is a type of MLM :eek:

;)

Clixsense has made me over £1,000 in the last few months, while doing no work at all myself. Sounds like a lot less work than other MLMs. All I do is have my referral link here, and on my website. It takes care of itself. I don't spam anyone and I certainly don't have to post on Facebook pages ;)

Let me rephrase what I said: Spamming people and bleating on and on about just one income source is NOT my thing ;D

I am not spamming people, and I hope you are not trying to imply me joining in this conversation constitutes "bleating on" about one source of income.


Clearly, whether you like to admit it or not, you are reaping the benefits of an MLM based payment system.

how you gained that income is beside the point. You guys are the ones saying "all mlm do this rubbish stuff", yet, as you have clearly stated, you earn a nice income from doing nothing from a website that is paying you on the work of your referrals.

This is MLM, you are making money from an MLM, and then bashing MLM.

What you really have a problem with is poor marketing practises from *most* MLM reps, because, as you stated, you actually earn an income that you are proud of, from an MLM company, for doing MLM work (referring others).


Also, on a final note, I also would never "Bleat on" about one income source. Just because I believe and support MLM, please dont presume such things.
 

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Why an outcast martay?

That's another disadvantage of being part of an mlm as opposed to doing your own thing black pepper, if the company closes then your business goes with it. Avon pulled out of Ireland and France during my time with them and we were constantly wondering if they would quit the uk market too but so far they haven't done.

I think as martay said the best approach is to combine your mlm business with also using other suppliers then that way you're not putting all your eggs in one basket
 

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sparkleandshine said:
Why an outcast martay?

Well, one reason is I dont like being fobbed off with "Pitches" and "Angles" etc, when I ask a question I want a real answer. Often it doesnt materialise though, and I can kick off because of it. As such, I tend to receive a cold reception from people within the company, because I question them.

Another thing is, apparently not wanting to get involved with your team constitutes being a traitor or something, so I dont have the support of a team either. The truth is, I did not like the team website as much as everyone else did, and simply wanted to make my own and hopefully make it better. I never even told them what I thought of the team website just didnt use it, and that lead to me having crazy mad accusations thrown in my direction.



All the stuff you guys dislike about MLM, its all true, but it is NOT reflective of the system, it is simply reflective of most peoples implementation of the system.

The politics within MLM is ridiculous.

The lies and hype within MLM are ridiculous.

The poor training and poor marketing material are all ridiculous.

So.... I know I can do a better job so I will. I will do it for a company, the one I think is the least bullshit MLM company, and if I really cannot overcome all the BS then I'll reassess. I am confident though :)
 

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sparkleandshine said:
Why an outcast martay?

That's another disadvantage of being part of an mlm as opposed to doing your own thing black pepper, if the company closes then your business goes with it. Avon pulled out of Ireland and France during my time with them and we were constantly wondering if they would quit the uk market too but so far they haven't done.

I think as martay said the best approach is to combine your mlm business with also using other suppliers then that way you're not putting all your eggs in one basket

Well I think jewellery is hard to sell anyway especially now with the amount of cheap jewellery you can buy from different places.
Least I was not relying on it. I would never rely on any site whether it is MLM or something else. If I get involved in any MLM or any type of company it will be because it is convenient for me and I want the discount or products that are being sold and that I want to use rather than just the income side of it.
That is why I spread myself out between different types of sites.
 

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How much a month do you spend on your current MLM company martay and how much are you currently making from it?
 

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What I spend and make right now is not indicative of what I have spent and made or what I will be spending and hopefully making, but I will answer as openly as I can...


Right now, today, and for the last 4 months or so, I have spent £3.50 per month (the fees for the company website etc)

I have been listing on ebay, and selling around £200-£250 per month (give or take a few quid)

That has been yielding me between £30 - £50 of profit.

The work involved was basically a few hours initially (maybe 5 or 6 in total) of comparing products from the company to products on Ebay, and trying to select some items I think will sell.

After the initial burst I have just left my listings running, only adding a couple of new listings occasionally, basically just leaving it to run on its own and have spent minimal amount of time on it, other than placing the order and leaving feedback I pretty much dont do anything with that now.


That sums up the specific details of that, however as I said that is not a true indicator of everything. For example when I started I began the catalogue route and then put that method to the side, with a load of catalogues invested in and not 100% recovered the costs for (though with ebay profit those costs are now covered)

Another thing is I have spent time and effort on the Company Facebook Group for dropshipping, all of which is basically voluntary as I have no team yet. I have done this because I was trying to lift this stigma I have somehow created for myself over there as being a wanker. I am not a wanker, and I hoped that helping out with the company would help remove that but not sure if it will :(


Over the last couple of months, I have also invested in a few domains, and have been working on my "Team Website" that |i will be using for recruiting etc. I have not included that cost or time above, as it is a "Personal Speculation" and not a result of any company guidance or training, and I have not begun that phase yet. i'm more than happy to share costs and time etc for that side of things but I would rather get it finished and rolling first :)


if thats too long an answer for you, tough, you asked ;)

but seriously though if there is something you would like to ask I am more than happy to answer. I like this forum and I relate to the way you guys feel a lot, I just like the idea of MLM too, and I hope that chilling round here will help me to remain a "grounded network marketer"

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Extension....

Since the company opened up the Drop Shipping option, the strategy I am working on involves setting up my own website selling their products dropshipped. This way I can control the website, control the promotion properly, and will not be promoting the company brand name (and hence loosing sales to stragglers and googlers).

So I dont intend to progress with Ebay anymore, I will be basically running my own "NIche Ecommerce Sites" at a minimum %25 profit (some items have higher markups).

To me, thats not MLM, thats an easy route to my own ecommerce store. the MLM comes in when I recruit someone else and train them to do the same/similar.

And again, none of these plans are traditional, or encouraged, and this is the sort of reason why I say MLM is Ok, just play it differently to everyone else if you dont like the way everyone plays it (I dont!)

ok thats enough now ;)
 

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martay said:
What I spend and make right now is not indicative of what I have spent and made or what I will be spending and hopefully making, but I will answer as openly as I can...


Right now, today, and for the last 4 months or so, I have spent £3.50 per month (the fees for the company website etc)

I have been listing on ebay, and selling around £200-£250 per month (give or take a few quid)

That has been yielding me between £30 - £50 of profit.

The work involved was basically a few hours initially (maybe 5 or 6 in total) of comparing products from the company to products on Ebay, and trying to select some items I think will sell.

After the initial burst I have just left my listings running, only adding a couple of new listings occasionally, basically just leaving it to run on its own and have spent minimal amount of time on it, other than placing the order and leaving feedback I pretty much dont do anything with that now.


That sums up the specific details of that, however as I said that is not a true indicator of everything. For example when I started I began the catalogue route and then put that method to the side, with a load of catalogues invested in and not 100% recovered the costs for (though with ebay profit those costs are now covered)

Another thing is I have spent time and effort on the Company Facebook Group for dropshipping, all of which is basically voluntary as I have no team yet. I have done this because I was trying to lift this stigma I have somehow created for myself over there as being a wanker. I am not a wanker, and I hoped that helping out with the company would help remove that but not sure if it will :(


Over the last couple of months, I have also invested in a few domains, and have been working on my "Team Website" that |i will be using for recruiting etc. I have not included that cost or time above, as it is a "Personal Speculation" and not a result of any company guidance or training, and I have not begun that phase yet. i'm more than happy to share costs and time etc for that side of things but I would rather get it finished and rolling first :)


if thats too long an answer for you, tough, you asked ;)

but seriously though if there is something you would like to ask I am more than happy to answer. I like this forum and I relate to the way you guys feel a lot, I just like the idea of MLM too, and I hope that chilling round here will help me to remain a "grounded network marketer"

:)


That is good to know that you are making money from it and you enjoy it. :)
This is definitely a good Forum to stick around to stay grounded as people will ask questions.
Allot of the people from MLM businesses have just come in joined here done a sales pitch hoping they would get a load of sign ups or just got annoyed when people start asking questions and then leave so it is refreshing and good to see someone who is willing to stick around and answer any questions that anyone has.
Stay chilled....
 

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you're right it is hard blackpepper too much competition from china for the bottom end of the market literally selling for pennies and the people with more money to spend want 'names, darling, names' so that's why I'm currently looking into selling more named brands
 

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martay said:
sparkleandshine said:
True martay, wikaniko is different in that its one of the only if not the only big mlm company that let's you sell on eBay and offers drop shipping, however could you not just find a wholesaler who drop ships, post their products on eBay, and earn 50% plus of the profits - and some sellers mark up a lot more than 50% - instead of 25% or whatever wikaniko pay you (25% is the mlm industry standard % commission). Surely after you've paid your eBay (10%) and PayPal (5%) fees there can't be much profit left for you? Does wikaniko charge you for the postage also?

I think what appeals about wikaniko for you most is the social validation and the feeling that you are a part of something - am I right?

I have not yet found a dropshipper that supplies the same products on a dropship basis.

You're correct that after fees etc, profit can be slim, around 10-15%, I have yet to invest much time in it though and it is not the only way I will be selling products, just happens to be a real easy way.

And no, social validation or being part of something is not the reason. At the moment, I am an outcast within the company, so "being part of something" per se, is not the reason for me being with them.

katykicker said:
martay said:
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MLM is NOT my thing!

Yet, ironically, Clixsense is a type of MLM :eek:

;)

Clixsense has made me over £1,000 in the last few months, while doing no work at all myself. Sounds like a lot less work than other MLMs. All I do is have my referral link here, and on my website. It takes care of itself. I don't spam anyone and I certainly don't have to post on Facebook pages ;)

Let me rephrase what I said: Spamming people and bleating on and on about just one income source is NOT my thing ;D

I am not spamming people, and I hope you are not trying to imply me joining in this conversation constitutes "bleating on" about one source of income.


Clearly, whether you like to admit it or not, you are reaping the benefits of an MLM based payment system.

how you gained that income is beside the point. You guys are the ones saying "all mlm do this rubbish stuff", yet, as you have clearly stated, you earn a nice income from doing nothing from a website that is paying you on the work of your referrals.

This is MLM, you are making money from an MLM, and then bashing MLM.

What you really have a problem with is poor marketing practises from *most* MLM reps, because, as you stated, you actually earn an income that you are proud of, from an MLM company, for doing MLM work (referring others).


Also, on a final note, I also would never "Bleat on" about one income source. Just because I believe and support MLM, please dont presume such things.

Martay, this post makes you a hypocrite. You tell me not to 'presume such things' yet you've presumed that my post was about you, it wasn't. Your post also comes across as condescending, which doesn't fly with me at all. Don't presume to tell me what I do and don't know, or think about anything, I didn't do that for you. You've run off on a tangent when one isn't needed.

I had already made a post here, about someone on a Facebook group, and that is who my bleating on comment refers to, I'm sorry it touched on a nerve with you but you are just being paranoid. If I have a problem with someone, online or otherwise, I will say it as I don't take any prisoners. Believe me on that.

My post wasn't directed to anyone here as I rarely read the MLM based posts. I don't really mind how people choose to make their money, as not everyone here agrees with the methods I use, but I was annoyed with the one specific person I posted about, which is obvious when you read my previous post.

I rephrased my sentence, in the post you quoted me on so no need to say 'whether you like to admit it or not', clearly I agreed with you when you pointed it out.

I apologise that you have misconstrued my message, just to be clear (again) it wasn't aimed at you. I'd appreciate an apology back for your assumptions about me.
 

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katykicker said:
Martay, this post makes you a hypocrite. You tell me not to 'presume such things' yet you've presumed that my post was about you, it wasn't. Your post also comes across as condescending, which doesn't fly with me at all. Don't presume to tell me what I do and don't know, or think about anything, I didn't do that for you. You've run off on a tangent when one isn't needed.

I had already made a post here, about someone on a Facebook group, and that is who my bleating on comment refers to, I'm sorry it touched on a nerve with you but you are just being paranoid. If I have a problem with someone, online or otherwise, I will say it as I don't take any prisoners. Believe me on that.

My post wasn't directed to anyone here as I rarely read the MLM based posts. I don't really mind how people choose to make their money, as not everyone here agrees with the methods I use, but I was annoyed with the one specific person I posted about, which is obvious when you read my previous post.

I rephrased my sentence, in the post you quoted me on so no need to say 'whether you like to admit it or not', clearly I agreed with you when you pointed it out.

I apologise that you have misconstrued my message, just to be clear (again) it wasn't aimed at you. I'd appreciate an apology back for your assumptions about me.


When you make a post, quoting someone, it is easy for that person to assume that the post is directed at them. As that apparently was not the case, I apologise for making that assumption.


As for the other apparent assumption, well when it was pointed out that Clixsense was an MLM, it appeared to me that you jumped on the deflection and defensive approach. To me, in my opinion, this seems like you are actually being a hypocrite, making a generalised criticism about MLM and people promoting MLM but again in my opinion it appeared you where not willing to accept that actually you are a person promoting an MLM.

I appreciate that you have now made a bit of a distinction in your post, and you have clarified that you where *actually* criticising a specific person doing a specific thing, and not just anyone and everything that has to do with MLM.

initially, your post content and language gave a distinct impression that you where criticising anyone and everything to do with mlm, which definitely seemed hypocritical.

Apparently that was not the case, and I apologise that I got that impression, and proceeded to offend you.

I had no intention of offending anyone :)
 

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I would have liked to quote only one part but I can't seem to do that so well here (yet).

I'm glad we have clarified things and can move on :)

I didn't want to offend anyone either, at least not anyone on TMS :D
 

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