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I'd second this warning. There are a ton of red flags that make me think this might be "highly risky".
What other red flags are you seeing?
 

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For them, they get a couple of hundred quid a month, minimum, from every one of the however-many accounts that have joined.

I think that if everyone tried to withdraw then this would collapse faster than you can say 'ponzi scheme'.
I've been thinking about their incentives.
If we believe the 20% monthly return they actually don't need the outside investment from the "layman".

We know there are 3 of them - if each of them got a £7,500 'car' loan from the bank they would have a starting capital of £22500 - that starting amount compounding at 20% a month would become £1.5million in 2 years and £13million in 3... add-in friends, & families and that quickly becomes an obscene amount of money.

When you think about it like this you quickly realise they shouldn't actually need us.
 
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Those are very interesting points. I never thought of it that way and what you say has a lot of validity.
I just didn't like the tax situation, ie, speak to an accountant. I like things to be simple.
 

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What other red flags are you seeing?
caveat - some of this might just be me being overly suspicious...

1. Afcafc is a shill. He's only posted in this thread, only positively about this program & has admitted he is incentivised to get us to sign up. He also seems to know about Cas's investment and profit which feels sketchy AF.

2. The only other person invested is Cas - who has been loose on details and not actually answered any of the questions The Reverend raised in this thread. (this might just be his posting style)

3. Trustpilot 5/5 ratings. Most reviews are dated 9th/10th April from 1 review accounts which suggest they are paid reviews. The lack of 4-star reviews is very telling as even the best services often get many of those.. Now it's possible that they had a push with members on their platform to get reviews, but i dont get why.. and that brings us to the next point.

4. the incentives don't stack up from their side. see the post above. I don't quite get why they wouldn't keep this a closed shop or seek real substantial investment (easy to do with the evidence they have accrued so far)

5. The complete lack of discussion elsewhere on the web - It seems a bit weird that a small beer money/matched betting site is the only place I can find the conversation on this.
 

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caveat - some of this might just be me being overly suspicious...

1. Afcafc is a shill. He's only posted in this thread, only positively about this program & has admitted he is incentivised to get us to sign up. He also seems to know about Cas's investment and profit which feels sketchy AF.

2. The only other person invested is Cas - who has been loose on details and not actually answered any of the questions The Reverend raised in this thread. (this might just be his posting style)

3. Trustpilot 5/5 ratings. Most reviews are dated 9th/10th April from 1 review accounts which suggest they are paid reviews. The lack of 4-star reviews is very telling as even the best services often get many of those.. Now it's possible that they had a push with members on their platform to get reviews, but i dont get why.. and that brings us to the next point.

4. the incentives don't stack up from their side. see the post above. I don't quite get why they wouldn't keep this a closed shop or seek real substantial investment (easy to do with the evidence they have accrued so far)

5. The complete lack of discussion elsewhere on the web - It seems a bit weird that a small beer money/matched betting site is the only place I can find the conversation on this.
Wouldn’t call TMS small by any stretch of the imagination lol
 
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sorry for not being more open .

just been busy you know.

let me tackle a couple questions give me a sec
 

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1) How much money have you invested in total?
11k

2) How much money have you withdrawn in total?
£950 to pay off the fees

3) How much money is currently in your 'trading'(? - not sure of the correct word) account?
at the moment there is £15300

4) How much in fees have you paid so far?
£930.85

5) How much profit have you 'made'?
so far £2171.97 for the month of July
 

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@Maifax I told him about how much invested, that's why he knows.
 

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1) How much money have you invested in total?
11k

2) How much money have you withdrawn in total?
£950 to pay off the fees

3) How much money is currently in your 'trading'(? - not sure of the correct word) account?
at the moment there is £15300

4) How much in fees have you paid so far?
£930.85

5) How much profit have you 'made'?
so far £2171.97 for the month of July
What are you personally doing about paying income tax on that £2171.97?
 

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11k :eek:
I admire your faith! I am still on the fence with this but I'm enjoying hearing about how you guys are getting on with this, and hope it continues to go well.
ye I cant believe that put in that much you know. Scary looking back at it right now.
 

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Ohh i see thanks for the info.
Could I be added to the telegram? my account is lehobhob. Just to follow how it's going before making a plunge! Thanks!
I will add you now buddy no worries
 

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What are you personally doing about paying income tax on that £2171.97?
I will be declaring it as capital gains tax.

but will be getting in touch with an accountant, keep hearing conflicting stuff about forex.
 
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You deposit into your own account and they manage it for you.
Link accounts to their account and it auto copies what they do
Spot on but they don't have access to your actual funds. They have access to your mt4 account
 

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sorry for not being more open .

just been busy you know.

let me tackle a couple questions give me a sec
it's cool, nowt personal - it was just part of the bigger picture that made me skeptical.
 

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Woop! Woop!
Its the sound of the (warning) police.

As far as I can see.

1) You pay in £1000
2) You give them FULL control of this £1000
3) Every month you 'make' money and then seperately, pay them 30% (£300+).
4) You are told 'compounding' is important and to not withdraw your 'winnings'
5) Except to pay fees
6) And keep paying more in
7) And Keep paying more 30%
8) And keep them being in control of your account


For them, they get a couple of hundred quid a month, minimum, from every one of the however-many accounts that have joined.

I think that if everyone tried to withdraw then this would collapse faster than you can say 'ponzi scheme'.

As always, I hope of nothing more than being proved wrong. And I'm ecstatic that people are making money, but please be weary and if you are able to withdraw all the money you've personally put in, I STRONGLY recommend you do this and then all you risk losing is the money you've 'made' from the scheme.

:)

ATB

YMMV

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This is nowhere near a Ponzi mate. If me Cas and 2 or 300 wanted to withdraw we could because it's our money. I've withdrawn for several reasons. But like you said it's always great to make it risk free
 

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1) How much money have you invested in total?
11k

2) How much money have you withdrawn in total?
£950 to pay off the fees

3) How much money is currently in your 'trading'(? - not sure of the correct word) account?
at the moment there is £15300

4) How much in fees have you paid so far?
£930.85

5) How much profit have you 'made'?
so far £2171.97 for the month of July
Hi Cas,

Thanks for the answers.

You've 'made' 20% (roughly) in a month. Not bad going. :)

At the moment you are risking 100% of £11k to get 20% return (£2k)

If it was me, and it isn't, I'd want to withdrawn your entire £11k and leave the £4k in there. To 'compound'. People are starting with £1k anyway so you will be 4 times better off than they are.

You should still get a 20% return on £4k, which is £800, in a month. You'll need to pay them £266 in fees (roughly) and so in 2 months you'll have £5k 'profit'. In another 2 months you'll have £6.5k. Then in another 2 month £8.2k. Then another 2 months £10k+. In those 8 months (roughly) you'll have invested the same amount that you have put in now. With no risk to your original money. After a year you'll have between £15k-20k in that account - earning you £3-4k a month. All for ZERO risk.

Zero risk passive income....

 

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caveat - some of this might just be me being overly suspicious...

1. Afcafc is a shill. He's only posted in this thread, only positively about this program & has admitted he is incentivised to get us to sign up. He also seems to know about Cas's investment and profit which feels sketchy AF.

2. The only other person invested is Cas - who has been loose on details and not actually answered any of the questions The Reverend raised in this thread. (this might just be his posting style)

3. Trustpilot 5/5 ratings. Most reviews are dated 9th/10th April from 1 review accounts which suggest they are paid reviews. The lack of 4-star reviews is very telling as even the best services often get many of those.. Now it's possible that they had a push with members on their platform to get reviews, but i dont get why.. and that brings us to the next point.

4. the incentives don't stack up from their side. see the post above. I don't quite get why they wouldn't keep this a closed shop or seek real substantial investment (easy to do with the evidence they have accrued so far)

5. The complete lack of discussion elsewhere on the web - It seems a bit weird that a small beer money/matched betting site is the only place I can find the conversation on this.
You are not a business minded person mate because once you get to a certain point you think how you could make more money. They have a business and in business the goal is to make money continuously not to settle and be complacent. So many people share their warning in the telegram group. Of course we know what each others balances are I know about 10 other peoples balances because people share them. Of course its forex and the risk is there no doubt at all. I'm totally honest so ask away guys . :)
 

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What are you personally doing about paying income tax on that £2171.97?
Thats the LEAST of my interest!

:lol:

I think the tax side is a bit more complex as I assume (ASSume) that you can also deduct losses from the trades from your tax liability.
 

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This is nowhere near a Ponzi mate. If me Cas and 2 or 300 wanted to withdraw we could because it's our money. I've withdrawn for several reasons. But like you said it's always great to make it risk free
But what if your cash is involved in an 'active trade'? You can't withdraw then, I don't think.

And if the people running it withdraw your cash first, then what?