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Sorry to contradict you a bit on this but SEO and proper copywriting are the same thing these days - the 500 blog post model with keywords hasn't worked for a very long time now. (Average position 1 ranking page is now 2000+ words)

Don't get me wrong i'm sure people are still trying this as they are firmly in the past but it doesn't work - the move now is definitely towards high quality, long form, keyword optimised content for both SEO and what you're calling PROPER copywriting. (I'm Head of SEO for a marketing agency).

If i was trying to stand out and earn good money i'd be looking to develop this skill set as the way to earn the most money as people who can do this style of copywriting are in high demand.
See for me (at least) I would say PROPER copywriting is maybe writing a feature article for a travel website or magazine.

SEO copywriting to me is ' write this article and insert this backlink naturally)

I agree the lines are getting blurred and that the demand is there which is why Content Conga works with no many SEO agencies now because they content at a decent price which sadly they don't seem to get from the likes of Fiverr these days paying as low as possible
 

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@Jon, when producing work for Fiverr/PPH etc, what format do you produce the written content in? Is it just send a Google Docs link or document over?

And are Fiverr/PPH/Fivesquid the best platforms to get started?
 

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@Jon, when producing work for Fiverr/PPH etc, what format do you produce the written content in? Is it just send a Google Docs link or document over?

And are Fiverr/PPH/Fivesquid the best platforms to get started?
Google doc / word document / pages document - basically anything really

those platforms are good ones to get you off to the races
 
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Google doc / word document / pages document - basically anything really

those platforms are good ones to get you off to the races
Great thanks. How important is choice of username on those platforms?
Wanna try content writing, but with a view to diversify if needed.

..._services

Would that be alright?
 

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Great thanks. How important is choice of username on those platforms?
Wanna try content writing, but with a view to diversify if needed.

..._services

Would that be alright?
yeah anything around services / content with the name can't go wrong!
 
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Finally got my first decent paying gig on PPH for some gambling content that needed doing!

Those PPH Fees though!!!
 

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Finally got my first decent paying gig on PPH for some gambling content that needed doing!

Those PPH Fees though!!!
They're absolutely murderous (and used to be worse, if you can believe that!). I've got a couple of VERY long-standing clients where years and years of orders mean we're now on the lowest rate, but it's still a massive swipe out of your fee for sweet fanny adam.
 

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They're absolutely murderous (and used to be worse, if you can believe that!). I've got a couple of VERY long-standing clients where years and years of orders mean we're now on the lowest rate, but it's still a massive swipe out of your fee for sweet fanny adam.
it's absolutely criminal! Up there with the bloomin Upwork Connects!!
 

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it's absolutely criminal! Up there with the bloomin Upwork Connects!!
I wouldn't mind if they actually a) booted creepy 'clients' who slide into my DMs looking for a bit more than a blog post, b) chased the former client who disappeared into thin air owing me £200, or c) acted a bit quicker on fake jobs phishing for people for "incredible new opportunities".

But what do they offer for those fees? Flap all.
 

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I'm setting up my profiles for content writing.

What % or fixed fee do Fiverr & PPH take?
 

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Anyone had any success on Fivesquid? I've created a few writing gigs, but no orders as yet.
 

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Anyone had any success on Fivesquid? I've created a few writing gigs, but no orders as yet.
Stay logged in as much as you can so you appear 'green' and online - that seems to help

i have most success with upwork, then PPH, Fiverr not so much
 
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I've not managed to have much luck on PPH, yet! However I started on PPH, just over a year ago, took a few lower paid jobs in order to gain some feedback and now have a couple of long term clients from it too!
 

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A quick update: After no orders for ages, have finally got few writing orders on Fiverr.
It's an interesting experience so far
 
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Definitely. Doing well so far and on my way to getting a regular writing gig. pay could be better though!
 

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True. How many positive feedback reviews would you suggest before I think about raising my charge?
 

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