Coronavirus Discussion So.... The Coronavirus / COVID-19

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if you take a step back from all the media panic and just look at the numbers and facts I do wonder if this thing is just going to die out due to how low the numbers are in the countries that have come out of lockdown

i get the media panic has helped people to stay at home and keep the numbers down so without it people would just think 'meh, it's nothing' so we did have to do that but as we come out of lockdown and the fact that no country that has come out so far has had a second spike makes me wonder again if this thing will just die out much quicker than the media is making everyone worry

I mean just look at these graphs for China, the thing seems to have totally died off!

 

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Yes, but look how idiots here have flocked to beaches etc. I was out walking early this morning. When I got back to my car the car park that had 4 cars 3 hours earlier had 35, and there were groups of up to 8 people clearly from a few families and literally shoulder to shoulder. Also, while I sat on my car boot taking my boots off a group of 5 people in their 20s came past close together and stopped not 3 feet from me. I was tempted to say something, but realised it would be wasted on them. And now we've had Dominic Cummings flouting the rules and being defended by our chump in charge people have carte blanche to do as they please.
 

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I don't feel Boris is an expert on what a good dad is. On the testing numbers I read that if they give someone a saliva test and a nasal swab it counts as two tests. We live quite near an IKEA store. I can just imagine the queues when it reopens.
 

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if you take a step back from all the media panic and just look at the numbers and facts I do wonder if this thing is just going to die out due to how low the numbers are in the countries that have come out of lockdown

i get the media panic has helped people to stay at home and keep the numbers down so without it people would just think 'meh, it's nothing' so we did have to do that but as we come out of lockdown and the fact that no country that has come out so far has had a second spike makes me wonder again if this thing will just die out much quicker than the media is making everyone worry

I mean just look at these graphs for China, the thing seems to have totally died off!


I have family living in China. They had a very strict lockdown which was heavily enforced by the military. They were punished for breaking any of the rules. They also did a lot of tests to find and quarantine those with the virus and screened everyone at airports. Essentially they forcefully contained the virus. There was quite a lot of fear around the virus though because it was described as being like the first sars and my family said that even if the government didn't lock down, they would have social distanced for a while anyway.

Anyone else find it weird that we can't be critical of the government without being labelled anti-government or a labour supporter? I'm from a heavy Tory supporting county and a lot of my mates are strong supporters of Boris. Any small complaint about his actions will result in being called a leftist or the usual rebuttal of labour would probably have done worse. I would still be critical of labour had they f***** up too. Essentially since he's the one who got Brexit done, he's given a pass to do whatever he wants without much opposition and it feels like we're slipping slowly into a dictatorship. Everything he does is perfect in the eyes of his supports and there's no swaying them.
 
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Just got the rules and information for my school reopening in June. I'm all for getting the kids back but it is very close to being so much of a faff that it might well be better just not bothering:

Parents drop child off at allocated time. Child collected from the car, parent not allowed to leave car.
Child escorted to the washing station to wash hands
Go to allocated classroom with the 6 other pupils in their "bubble" not allowed to mix with other pupils or staff outside of their bubble group.
each bubble limited to one classroom and only certain parts of the school.
One way systems set up which are like walking from london to dover going via manchester.
No playground equipment allowed out.
Separate break and lunch times, bring own food and drink and lots of hand washing of course.
Teachers have to teach their "bubble" but also continue to set work for students staying at home.
Going home is the reverse of the morning procedure.

What are they going to do about pens / paper / stationary? I guess each child will have their own and not share so no more hand outs from the teacher?!!?
 

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What are they going to do about pens / paper / stationary? I guess each child will have their own and not share so no more hand outs from the teacher?!!?

Yes, they have to bring their own pencil cases and cant lend out pens etc. Teachers aren't allowed to take books home to mark. The more you look into it the more restrictive it gets.
 

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Yes, they have to bring their own pencil cases and cant lend out pens etc. Teachers aren't allowed to take books home to mark. The more you look into it the more restrictive it gets.
I guess the spare PE kit box is a thing of the past then lol
 
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Starting to root for Cummings now. Actually admire how he has stuck to his guns.
The press witch hunt is ridiculous.
 

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Starting to root for Cummings now. Actually admire how he has stuck to his guns.
The press witch hunt is ridiculous.
I disagree. I lost someone during this time. He just had to say sorry or show some empathy to those of us who have sacrificed, have been ill (with kids), have lost loved ones etc. But he didn't - no regret, no remorse, no nothing. It's not a witch hunt by the press, this is the response of a nation of hurt people, grieving people realising that we are 'not in it together'.
 
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The explanation Cummings tried to give today just didn't wash at all. He tried to set up a sob story and then went with the line that the British people were angry because the press had lied. The problem is that the main thing against him, travelling 260 miles with Covid still stood no matter how he spins it. Then he tripped himself up with his story regarding the trip to Barnard Castle. First he said he got medical advice to travel, but his sight wasn't right, so he made the 30 minute drive to test he was safe to drive, and claimed they never left the car. Then when pressed that he was seen by the River he remembered that they sat on a bench for 15 minutes. He was asked why he chose Barnard Castle when it was in the opposite direction to London and he was stumped.

For Boris Johnson to say that any fair minded person would accept his explanation is deeply offensive to people who have lost family and been unable to see them IMHO. My wife isn't really political but she was seething listening to Cummings today.
 
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He has been a disgrace from start to finish. People have died alone and NHS staff have been put through an unacceptable amount of fear and stress. When sticking to your guns means lying more and more and not caring about what others went through following rules you were part of initiating it's not something to be proud of. Hopefully what is being described as a witch hunt but is in reality an attempt to make him do the right thing has only just begun.
 

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He is unelected, and yet he shapes policy. He employs 'weirdos and misfits' (his words, not mine) who have proven links to some very dubious organisations and ideologies indeed. He's the architect of Brexit, and if you've ever seen anything in your Facebook feed appealing directly to your core political ideologies if you're of a centre-right or further bent, that man put it there, courtesy of organisations such as Cambridge Analytica, harvesting your every like and share. He is a distiller and spreader of fake news, spin, and dissent. Chaos is his aim, and if you think for a moment that he wasn't absolutely getting off on a) being 30 minutes late, and b) coming out with a shaggy dog story more impressive than anything Jeffrey Archer did in his day, then you just haven't looked hard enough.

And don't get me started on making a mockery of lockdown. The sacrifices we're all making will scar us for the rest of our lives. Our relationships, careers, and mental stability will never fully recover, and we will always be on edge, hyper-alert and hyper-vigilant to every sneeze or cough. We'll find it hard to make new connections as we will be unwilling to touch each other. Nobody can tell me it will all be alright, because it won't. We'll make something and live it, but it won't be what we had. Most of us willingly sacrificed months of our lives - or in the case of some, actually sacrificed their lives - because it was the right thing to do for everyone.

Except for this twat. Who put his four year old in the car when he says his eyesight was a bit dodgy and drove around a bit.
 
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He is unelected, and yet he shapes policy. He employs 'weirdos and misfits' (his words, not mine) who have proven links to some very dubious organisations and ideologies indeed. He's the architect of Brexit, and if you've ever seen anything in your Facebook feed appealing directly to your core political ideologies if you're of a centre-right or further bent, that man put it there, courtesy of organisations such as Cambridge Analytica, harvesting your every like and share. He is a distiller and spreader of fake news, spin, and dissent. Chaos is his aim, and if you think for a moment that he wasn't absolutely getting off on a) being 30 minutes late, and b) coming out with a shaggy dog story more impressive than anything Jeffrey Archer did in his day, then you just haven't looked hard enough.

And don't get me started on making a mockery of lockdown. The sacrifices we're all making will scar us for the rest of our lives. Our relationships, careers, and mental stability will never fully recover, and we will always be on edge, hyper-alert and hyper-vigilant to every sneeze or cough. We'll find it hard to make new connections as we will be unwilling to touch each other. Nobody can tell me it will all be alright, because it won't. We'll make something and live it, but it won't be what we had. Most of us willingly sacrificed months of our lives - or in the case of some, actually sacrificed their lives - because it was the right thing to do for everyone.

Except for this twat. Who put his four year old in the car when he says his eyesight was a bit dodgy and drove around a bit.

Very well said, I hope this is the downfall of The Tory government and come next GE the public remembers this moment and doesn't vote for them.
 
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Will it be the second wave that never came?

I hope you - and Professor Sikora - are both correct. What I'm taking most comfort from (and you all know what a geek for numbers I am) is the mathematical modelling from Singapore showing it burning out altogether.

Unfortunately, however optimistic the scenario we still have several months of this ahead, and sadly probably many more casualties.
 

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I really hope this is right, but I think it's far too early to predict Covid "burning itself out", and I haven't seen or read anything that explains how that could happen. It could mutate to a less harmful form that would better enable it to survive, but while there is still just one person infected it has the ability to flare up again unless everybody else is immune.
 

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Arrests made after illegal rave with 'up to 200 attendees' in Leeds

Three people were arrested after an illegal rave was held at a nature reserve near the centre of Leeds, police have said.

Local groups have claimed that up to 200 people were involved in the party at the Kirkstall Valley Nature Reserve, on the banks of the River Aire on Monday evening.

West Yorkshire Police said young people were seen wading across the river to get to the party and officers were called at 6.37pm.

A spokesman said: “There were also concerns for the safety of individuals attending, as a shallow part of the river was being used as a crossing.

“Officers attended alongside other emergency services and three arrests were made. Sound equipment was also seized.”

@Jon did you attend the party? :D
 
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