Coronavirus Discussion So.... The Coronavirus / COVID-19

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big week coming up with the schools going back but I’m not sure it’s going to make any difference to the infection rate as schools have never closed due to looking after all the keyworkers kids
 

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I’m not surprised at al. Was a silly idea. However we’re due to fly to France on 6th July. Have no clue if it’s on, if it’s off. husband doesn’t want to go. Had to move car hire as the full balance was coming off in a few days. I can’t prepare to go on holiday with a few days notice - I’m a planner for crying out loud! I need to know!! Although I would love to have a change of scenery we are actually coping pretty well at home.
 

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This information has come out today about ways to stop the spread

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The general public isn't going to wear eye protection? And would wearing glasses not do the same thing?
 

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This information has come out today about ways to stop the spread

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Note: Certainty of evidence - Low. In other words, just more scientists trying to justify their salaries feeling they have to publish something. Also, why is the without intervention statistic different each time? I'll give you a reliable statistic - 80% of the statistics around covid are made up bullshit.
 
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This information has come out today about ways to stop the spread

EZdeQzyWAAErcVE


The general public isn't going to wear eye protection? And would wearing glasses not do the same thing?

Had a gander at the paper. It's a review paper, so they've collected up evidence from 172 other papers and calculated the probability of infection based on all of those studies. There's more than 25000 patients in the sample so actually not a small study compared to others I've seen. I think it's more to do with knowing which preventative measure works best for say, hospitals since a lot of datapoints come from health care settings. I think a small problem with this review is that includes data from SARS (the first one) and MERS where transmission rate might be different.

Note: Certainty of evidence - Low. In other words, just more scientists trying to justify their salaries feeling they have to publish something. Also, why is the without intervention statistic different each time? I'll give you a reliable statistic - 80% of the statistics around covid are made up bullshit.

We're not all like that, but yes, there are some who try to push out papers quickly in order to apply for grants, especially now with lots of money floating around for covid-19. A problem is that people will latch onto papers which are in pre-print which will probably get pulled or rejected and would usually put their own bias on the statistics presented.

As with this review, it looks like quite a lot of work went into it. It's like a summary of 172 other papers. They've graded them, collated the data and reprocessed it for their own calculation. The difference in "without intervention statistics" is because the samples the three categories differ. As an example, 29 studies went into looking at physical distancing measures and only 13 studies looked at wearing face masks. You then have studies which looked at combinations of measures. I think if the sample size was a lot bigger, the values would converge to 13%, seeing as the physical distancing measure has the largest number of data points.

Their estimate of the certainty is more to do with the value of reduction I think and not to do with whether these measures have a positive effect or not. It's essentially a qualitative error bar. Even so, "low" is like 2/4 on their scale (from their supplementary materials). There are two categories below that. So I guess moderate (3/4) is actually fairly good, especially for biology where there are so many variables to consider. The information doesn't control from a controlled environment either which adds to the problem.
 

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The more research the better. The more we find out, the more accurate the information will be hence why it's constantly changing. I trust scientists largely and they are the ones that will eventually create a vaccine or discover the virus is dying out, and allow all of us including the vulnerable to return to a normal life.

Maybe there are those who are chasing grants for their work, but it's hardly a King's ransom or even a PM's salary!!!
 

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How have people not grasped the artificially spike we get after every bank holiday yet?!?
 

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I just want people to stop buying alll the flour.

It's always self raising that goes too, which is what I want. Tesco today were selling some very suspicious looking flour. They had bagged it up themselves in transparent 1.5 KG backs, presumably from their giant industrial bags from the instore bakery and were selling it £1 each. The shelf looked like the results of a million dollar drug bust.
 

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Another Interesting article about how Coronavirus has made people evaluate how they lived their lives before and how they don't need to be so 'busy' all the time


One thing I will miss about lockdown is how quiet the road outside it. Its already starting to get noticeably busier.
 
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I am having such a miserable day today, and feel like there will never be an end to it. I know that's not the case, but watching the Not So Chuckle Brothers practically having a conniption every time the PM suggested a further relaxing of measures this afternoon didn't do me any good at all.

I'll feel completely different about it tomorrow.
 

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It is a bit worrying that all the monkeys in the Oxford trial who were given the vaccine developed the disease. My money would be on the Boston vaccine which is DNA rather than RNA and seems to work in animal trials. If successful it will be available next Spring. We still need to find out how long immunity is likely to last. I read somewhere that one problem is that there is not enough infection in the general population to tell if a vaccine is working.
 

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Transport Secretary Grant Shapps says that as of Monday 15 June face coverings will become mandatory on public transport in England.

How do we feel about this then?
 

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Transport Secretary Grant Shapps says that as of Monday 15 June face coverings will become mandatory on public transport in England.

How do we feel about this then?

How are they going to enforce this? Are they going to buy everyone a face mask?
 

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Transport Secretary Grant Shapps says that as of Monday 15 June face coverings will become mandatory on public transport in England.

How do we feel about this then?
I'm pleased. Even in normal times, dirty beggars spluttering and coughing everywhere makes my teeth itch.
 

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Bus driver won’t let you on without one?

The majority of the people Ive seen on the buses are elderly and no one wears a face mask. They are the ones travelling from a small village to town to do some shopping. I can understand they won't let them let on.

Im just annoyed with it all today - I got a letter today to say I may be out of a job as she cant afford to keep staff on (Im furloughed but the government doesn't pay all the staffs furloughed money she's expected to top it up to the 80 per cent).

I can't drive so I feel like I'm stuck in one area.
 

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