Coronavirus Discussion So.... The Coronavirus / COVID-19

[Jon]

That Guardian article (also on the bbc) (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53392148 ) about the 120,000 deaths we could have in winter is such nonsense as it doesn't take into account any lockdowns, treatments or vaccines!!

 

[homie]

That Guardian article (also on the bbc) (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53392148 ) about the 120,000 deaths we could have in winter is such nonsense as it doesn't take into account any lockdowns, treatments or vaccines!!

We had all that at the very beginning with predictions of a quarter of a million deaths. Expect a lot more doom mongering in the coming days as the government ramps up its must wear a mask propaganda.

 

[Jon]

 

[Jon]

138 deaths today


A week ago 155 people deaths were recorded - 21 less than today.

There were also 581 newly confirmed cases last week, compared to 398 today.

 

[geebobuk]

138 deaths today


A week ago 155 people deaths were recorded - 21 less than today.

There were also 581 newly confirmed cases last week, compared to 398 today.

138 is 17 less than 155?

Good to see much lower levels of infection than a week ago.

 

[Karonher]

I hope the figures are right because Worldometers is showing 1240 new cases.

 

[Karonher]

The biggest evidence that masks aren't needed in shops is all the 100s of thousands of shop floor workers who haven't been wearing one throughout pandemic and haven't got ill. Now presumably they will have to spend the whole day at work wearing a mask. I'd hate that.
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From the Guardian

"The danger is real: deaths among staff in shops are 75% higher for men and 60% higher for women than in the general population. Protect yourself and protect others"

 

[fraserbooks]

I think the figures for cases are due to some adding extra cases in Wales from a couple of weeks ago. The case fatality rate seems to be quite low even in countries like India with a poor health care system. The economy seems to be going into freefall. It is going to take a long time to recover.

 

[Karonher]

I am still unsure about the death rates in Russia and India. There will not be the obesity at least in India but Russia have reported virtually the same figures for weeks. Before that it was about 8,000 a day for a few weeks.

 

[Sherliarty]

I hate having things covering my nose and mouth but I have been wearing a mask to go to the shops, and to be honest you get used to it. If it means that those who are really vulnerable can go out and about then why not? The more we can all do to make everyone feel safe, the sooner our economy will pick up.

 

[homie]

This could backfire on the government. They think making everyone wear masks will give people confidence to go back to the shops, but I've seen a lot of people saying the opposite, that they don't want to go shopping if they have to wear a mask.

 

[homie]

More lies from the government

"deaths among staff in shops are 75% higher for men and 60% higher for women than in the general population. Protect yourself and protect others"

Not true. The boss of M&S has said out of the 78,000 staff he has there has only been 126 covid cases and only 3 have been fatal.

Paradoxically, it seems the shop workers themselves won't be required to wear masks, so Hancock can't be worried they're at much of a risk.

 

[hanna.obrien.79]

There's generally a high compliance of people in Scotland wearing masks but I think we're perhaps a bit more used to it. It does seem so ironic when the numbers are reporting 2 new cases and zero deaths so we have a lot at stake to keep the numbers from rising. Personally I think those that have to wear prosthetic limbs and the like must be way more uncomfortable on a daily basis than the few minutes we spend in shops. We just don't like being told what to do! In saying that, I haven't set foot in a shop since we went into lockdown. My husband is still the main person doing the food shopping and anything elseI order online. However, my shopping habits were mostly online beforehand anyway due to the fact that children and shops is a really bad combo!

 

[Jon]

I think the only thing I wish they did around this mask situation was (later on) say that if the R is like rock bottom in various counties that we don't need to wear one. If there is an outbreak or the R is rising then we do.

Just a bit more of a targetted approach because as the infection numbers get into the 100s and then double digits in a few months I'm not convinced of their value. But then in a few months we will know where we are at with a vaccine and lord knows how that is gonna be rolled out. I think personally it will be like at school when you got jabs where you all line up and its one after another after another in a church hall or something. I can't see them wanting 60 million people to all make doctors appointments!

 

[Karonher]

More lies from the government


Not true. The boss of M&S has said out of the 78,000 staff he has there has only been 126 covid cases and only 3 have been fatal.

Paradoxically, it seems the shop workers themselves won't be required to wear masks, so Hancock can't be worried they're at much of a risk.

It is Matt Hancock who gave those figures. I don't think M and S speak for all shop workers and they will have only just opened on a large scale. It is more likely to be supermarket staff who have worked all the way through who have become ill and died.

 

[Rs20033]

It is Matt Hancock who gave those figures. I don't think M and S speak for all shop workers and they will have only just opened on a large scale. It is more likely to be supermarket staff who have worked all the way through who have become ill and died.

Yes, and specific store policies will affect figures, like how strictly do they enforce social distancing, do they take cash, do they have shields at checkout etc. I would expect M&S to be one of the better stores (but i haven't ventured into a shop yet so I don't know!).

 

[Karonher]

The specific stores actions will determine their percentage of the figures - but wont alter the fact that the figures are 75% and 60% of shopworkers - from what I have been told by friends, Asda is not the safest place to go when it comes to distancing.

 

[Sherliarty]

It is Matt Hancock who gave those figures. I don't think M and S speak for all shop workers and they will have only just opened on a large scale. It is more likely to be supermarket staff who have worked all the way through who have become ill and died.

I have been in M&S and they are strict, someone at door letting people in. Staff member told off someone for standing too close to me in the queue for the till, it was my husband! They don't handle the products, you have to hold them up for them to scan the tag. JD sports was the complete opposite and Boots somewhere in the middle.

 

[Jon]

Whichever way you slice it these are positive figures especially as we are nearly at 2 weeks since restaurants / cafes / pubs reopened

 

[homie]

but wont alter the fact that the figures are 75% and 60% of shopworkers -

75% and 60% of whatever sample Hancock decided to use that suited the point he wanted to make.

I know 2 people who work in retail, one in Aldi here and one in a 7 - 11 type shop in California. No cases in either stores and they have both been open throughout.