Coronavirus Discussion What do we think the 'Earning money from home' landscape will look like after Covid19?

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With the HUGE impact these weeks (not even months yet!) is having on both us as individuals and businesses it got me wondering what the 'earning from home' world will look like when things return to normal in a few months.

Traditional Mystery Shopping - Part of me wonders if this will now die a death, it was hanging on as it was and there are going to be a lot of businesses in trouble who just won't have the money to spend on MSing checks and audits.

Smartphone Task Apps - I would say these companies need to pivot to offering some kind of medical information to new clients that is useful in this brave new world as if they don't I again can't see Gillette or Redbull wanting to spend money (or even massively caring) on how their displays look in-store. Maybe the apps will change to being more survey based as Field Agent became due to its lack of work

Rating Work - I can't see this changing. More people than ever are using search engines or social media so I don't see Web Search Evaluator work or Social Media Rating work going anywhere at all.

Matched Betting - This will carry on as normal once sports comes back and I would expect some MAJOR offers from the bookies to get punters back so we might have a bit of a 'Cheltenham Wave' to ride during those returning weeks. I do wonder though if the football is done for the year and we just start again in September so we could be in for a few more months of casino offers and south African horse racing!

Blogging - Marketing budgets have died a total death! The only way to make money at the moment is through affiliate links and companies hunting for backlinks. There is literally naff all in terms of paid sponsored work! Even if you had a blog that was exclusively catering to homeschooling or Coronavirus or something when companies approach you I doubt they would want to spend half the budget they did a couple of weeks ago. Hopefully, when people return to work a few months further down the line they will want to spend money on marketing to get their names back out there so now is a good time to focus on the SEO of your site if you run one.

Surveys - These have already proven to be more popular than ever and I see no reason why wouldn't continue.

ebay / reselling - I’m not so sure about. I don’t think people are going to be as keen to go into charity shops or car boot sales to buy stock which they then want to flip for a profit.

Online Focus Groups - I think these will EXPLODE. If this epidemic has taught us anything it's that people are far more willing to do video conferencing than ever before so companies will want to tap into that I think.

I also sadly think there will be an uptick into online scams and other 'get rich quick' schemes. I've had a look around the usual MLM companies and all their reps tend to be on 'countdowns to nothing' which promise a BIG ANNOUCNEMENT THEY WON'T WANT TO MISS which is absolutely nothing and just a way of keeping their team engaged and not leaving them..

Anyone else got any thoughts?
 
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Can't be that bad, just got this one from Red wigwam

"We have a new job you may be interested in.
Carlsberg are struggling with on shelf availability due to the current climate. This has affected all Carlsberg SKUs (E.g. San Migel) in Sainsburys.
We have been asked to find any additional stock of the below SKUs and put them on the shelf.
Entry and exit photos of EVERY SKU will need to be captured to show how much value you have added!
Please record accurate time spent in-store. No less than 30 minutes and no more than 2 hours. £8.72ph - to be completed by April 3rd. "
 
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I think that there will be more money than ever after the lock down spend on advertising. People will be really keen to sway people back to the old routines. They care about how their products are displayed in shops especially after this has put everything out of synch (saw a whoelsalers beans being sold in sainsburys!!). So be my eye and roalmer will certainly bounce back more than ever checking everything is how they want it again.
Beting companies doing bad atm probably do better as there will be lot more people betting as less jobs avaliable as sadly some businesses will not see any point anymore.
Marketing budgets are dead atm but once the dust settles I think companies will be keen to get everything cooking on gas again so will be big increase maybe.
 

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I do wonder if sports matched betting will have a resurgence. It's evolving away from what it has been. However, maybe betting shops will shut down, leading to bookmakers focusing online.

Also think there'll be a backlash from customers of matched betting services being pushed towards table tennis and Belarus division 2 football. That's not right for the end user.


Growth might be in surveys, social media ratings, print on demand, paid to click, and website testing.
 

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Can't be that bad, just got this one from Red wigwam

"We have a new job you may be interested in.
Carlsberg are struggling with on shelf availability due to the current climate. This has affected all Carlsberg SKUs (E.g. San Migel) in Sainsburys.
We have been asked to find any additional stock of the below SKUs and put them on the shelf.
Entry and exit photos of EVERY SKU will need to be captured to show how much value you have added!
Please record accurate time spent in-store. No less than 30 minutes and no more than 2 hours. £8.72ph - to be completed by April 3rd. "
Yeah I think the Gig Economy will see a pretty huge surge once the lockdown ends. People are going to want their takeaways, taxis and whatever else. It's interested to see what RWW are up to these days, they seem to have their fingers in a lot of pies!


I think that there will be more money than ever after the lock down spend on advertising. People will be really keen to sway people back to the old routines. They care about how their products are displayed in shops especially after this has put everything out of synch (saw a whoelsalers beans being sold in sainsburys!!). So be my eye and roalmer will certainly bounce back more than ever checking everything is how they want it again.
Beting companies doing bad atm probably do better as there will be lot more people betting as less jobs avaliable as sadly some businesses will not see any point anymore.
Marketing budgets are dead atm but once the dust settles I think companies will be keen to get everything cooking on gas again so will be big increase maybe.
Do you think the likes of BeMyEye which are based in mainland europe these days can survive this though? Say the UK gets through this by June, I'm not sure that will be the case for the rest of Europe. Roamler has a LOT of tasks there as well and they need a functioning country for the work to carry on coming in!

I do wonder if sports matched betting will have a resurgence. It's evolving away from what it has been. However, maybe betting shops will shut down, leading to bookmakers focusing online.

Also think there'll be a backlash from customers of matched betting services being pushed towards table tennis and Belarus division 2 football. That's not right for the end user.


Growth might be in surveys, social media ratings, print on demand, paid to click, and website testing.
Yeah, I agree that Matched Betting will have a resurgence. I'm still convinced the football will return in a month or two if only because the premier league have to pay Sky £750m if they don't complete the season!
 

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I did a couple of those Carlsberg merchandising jobs on Friday and also a shift at Morrisons last week.
 

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Well, jobspotter appears to be the first casualty of the coronavirus
 

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Well, jobspotter appears to be the first casualty of the coronavirus
Just read that email. I'm quite surprised, as they've been quick to change with the tide in the past where necessary, and I would have thought they might at least attempt to move a chunk of their operation toward spotting legitimate jobs online. That means one of the major recruitment agencies has tumbled, as weren't they part of a seriously large outfit?
 

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My thoughts on what it might look like post-Covid, for what they're worth:

I'm old, and I've been scuttling around the gig economy since before it was the gig economy, and I've weathered a few downturns. However, this is like nothing we've ever seen before, it's global, and it's no one's fault, as it were. I think that will affect how we come out of this, and what the world of work looks like.

  • I think we'll see Universal Basic Income within five years - Covid-19 will be here to stay even past vaccination, and it will mutate just like other coronaviruses. Like other coronaviruses, I hope it will get *less* unpleasant so that it can find plenty of healthy hosts and pass itself on. UBI will be cheaper for successive governments than sporadic bailouts, especially if we are looking at sporadic mini-lockdowns over the next 18 months to 2 years.
  • Once the shops are open again, we'll see marketing spend go through the roof - customers will need retaining and reclaiming.
  • The spoils from Matched Betting could be quite something. Hang onto your hats.
  • Delivery and despatch jobs are going to become very desirable, and the pay rates will rise accordingly - we will get used to shopping online, and it's going to take a huge effort to get us back onto the high street (see marketing spend).
  • Ditto supermarket jobs, online and offline.
  • The physical workplace will change radically - all those jobs that supposedly can't be done online from home? Yeah.
  • There will be a significant increase in microtask work and sites - AI has had a massive part to play in keeping things moving over the past few weeks already, and I think we'll see a big increase in the kind of QA work that's been coming through Neevo in recent months.
  • The kind of social media assessor tasks offered by the likes of Appen and Lionbridge will increase too - I think a huge clampdown on 'fake news' is coming.
  • Keep your eye out for data entry jobs as we start to come out of this - a lot of numbers will need crunching, and they'll need to be extrapolated from somewhere.
  • Mystery shopping - certainly in the short term (and by 'short term' post-Covid I'm thinking 2 to 5 years as we get worldwide vaccination and squash further outbreaks), this is dead in the water.
  • We're heading for a very different society, and even in my wildest imagination I can't envisage what that will be like - what constitutes 'work' is going to change. I'm finding myself looking at stuff that mattered even a few weeks ago as if it's trivial and pointless. A good thing? A bad thing? Who can tell.
 

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My thoughts on what it might look like post-Covid, for what they're worth:

I'm old, and I've been scuttling around the gig economy since before it was the gig economy, and I've weathered a few downturns. However, this is like nothing we've ever seen before, it's global, and it's no one's fault, as it were. I think that will affect how we come out of this, and what the world of work looks like.

  • I think we'll see Universal Basic Income within five years - Covid-19 will be here to stay even past vaccination, and it will mutate just like other coronaviruses. Like other coronaviruses, I hope it will get *less* unpleasant so that it can find plenty of healthy hosts and pass itself on. UBI will be cheaper for successive governments than sporadic bailouts, especially if we are looking at sporadic mini-lockdowns over the next 18 months to 2 years.
  • Once the shops are open again, we'll see marketing spend go through the roof - customers will need retaining and reclaiming.
  • The spoils from Matched Betting could be quite something. Hang onto your hats.
  • Delivery and despatch jobs are going to become very desirable, and the pay rates will rise accordingly - we will get used to shopping online, and it's going to take a huge effort to get us back onto the high street (see marketing spend).
  • Ditto supermarket jobs, online and offline.
  • The physical workplace will change radically - all those jobs that supposedly can't be done online from home? Yeah.
  • There will be a significant increase in microtask work and sites - AI has had a massive part to play in keeping things moving over the past few weeks already, and I think we'll see a big increase in the kind of QA work that's been coming through Neevo in recent months.
  • The kind of social media assessor tasks offered by the likes of Appen and Lionbridge will increase too - I think a huge clampdown on 'fake news' is coming.
  • Keep your eye out for data entry jobs as we start to come out of this - a lot of numbers will need crunching, and they'll need to be extrapolated from somewhere.
  • Mystery shopping - certainly in the short term (and by 'short term' post-Covid I'm thinking 2 to 5 years as we get worldwide vaccination and squash further outbreaks), this is dead in the water.
  • We're heading for a very different society, and even in my wildest imagination I can't envisage what that will be like - what constitutes 'work' is going to change. I'm finding myself looking at stuff that mattered even a few weeks ago as if it's trivial and pointless. A good thing? A bad thing? Who can tell.
A lot of interesting ideas there mouse. One thing to consider is the effect of the forthcoming recession and mass unemployment on the gig economy and availability of 'gigs' Yes there may be an increase in online delivery jobs and microtasks but the large pool of available workers will keep the pay down to the bare minimum. A lot more companies are going to be going out of business before the end of the year.

And to think, people were getting upset about what Brexit might do to the economy.....

Oh yeah - we still need to finish that off at some point too.
 

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@EdibleDormouse, you make a number of excellent points here. Regarding UBI, what amount would the government offer? That's a huge decision for them.
I can't see a Tory govt ever implementing UBI. But it may well be the subject the next election is fought over.
 

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I shall just add this quote I've stolen from one of the managers at Red Wig Wam

“She stood in the storm, and when the wind did not blow her way, she adjusted her sails”
 
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I can't see a Tory govt ever implementing UBI. But it may well be the subject the next election is fought over.
Good point. Might we see more political tension/social unrest over the gap between the baby boomer generation and the younger generation? This will surely widen in this economic climate.
 

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I shall just add this quote I've stolen from one of the managers at Red Wig Wam

“She stood in the storm, and when the wind did not blow her way, she adjusted her sails”
The thing is not all companies can change direction can they

like what can traditional mystery shopping companies do during / after this? Some of them are so old skool in everything they do lol
 

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Good point. Might we see more political tension/social unrest over the gap between the baby boomer generation and the younger generation? This will surely widen in this economic climate.
Hilariously (under any other circumstances anyway...), they've had to go full socialist to stop the economy completely collapsing now. And who knows what kind of epiphany Alexander de Pfeffel might have after this?

I have absolutely no idea what kind of sum UBI might be. The figure being bandied around a few years ago was £12K, but that would still require top ups in quite a few cases.

There will be a temporary retail/leisure dead cat bounce as those lump sum payments hit bank accounts in late May/early June. I'm not sure what the economic landscape will look like after that. Will there be work? Yes, and plenty of it. As to what it might be, or how well-paid it might be...nope, still trying to keep enough marbles together to stay in the house for a few more weeks.
 

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Martin Lewis made a point yesterday

To look for when lockdown will end we need to look at the financial situation. EVERY lender is doing 3 months, the government is doing 3 months (and i just don't BELIEVE it can keep paying 80% of everyone's wages for that long!) so to me June is the latest things will go back to normal
 

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There are a lot of good points about the future but the one I am not sure about is working from home. A sporting site I go on has a lot of people doing this - the site is sports related not the workers - and while the job is getting done it is taking much longer. They have young children around and that will still be the case in the future. The older ones will be there for 13 weeks as well. Some are taking 10-12 hours to finish and most of the time this is with a reduced workload.
 
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Martin Lewis made a point yesterday

To look for when lockdown will end we need to look at the financial situation. EVERY lender is doing 3 months, the government is doing 3 months (and i just don't BELIEVE it can keep paying 80% of everyone's wages for that long!) so to me June is the latest things will go back to normal
My money is on the schools going back on 1st June which would have been the first day back after half term, along with shops and other workplaces. I wonder if they might keep the restrictions on cinemas, cafes and pubs and large gatherings for a bit longer.
 
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