martay said:katykicker said:MLM is NOT my thing!
Yet, ironically, Clixsense is a type of MLM
sparkleandshine said:Cabouchon was bought by kleeneze but they have never relaunched it weird that they bought it but then never did anything with it.
sparkleandshine said:True martay, wikaniko is different in that its one of the only if not the only big mlm company that let's you sell on eBay and offers drop shipping, however could you not just find a wholesaler who drop ships, post their products on eBay, and earn 50% plus of the profits - and some sellers mark up a lot more than 50% - instead of 25% or whatever wikaniko pay you (25% is the mlm industry standard % commission). Surely after you've paid your eBay (10%) and PayPal (5%) fees there can't be much profit left for you? Does wikaniko charge you for the postage also?
I think what appeals about wikaniko for you most is the social validation and the feeling that you are a part of something - am I right?
katykicker said:martay said:katykicker said:MLM is NOT my thing!
Yet, ironically, Clixsense is a type of MLM
Clixsense has made me over £1,000 in the last few months, while doing no work at all myself. Sounds like a lot less work than other MLMs. All I do is have my referral link here, and on my website. It takes care of itself. I don't spam anyone and I certainly don't have to post on Facebook pages
Let me rephrase what I said: Spamming people and bleating on and on about just one income source is NOT my thing ;D
sparkleandshine said:Why an outcast martay?
sparkleandshine said:Why an outcast martay?
That's another disadvantage of being part of an mlm as opposed to doing your own thing black pepper, if the company closes then your business goes with it. Avon pulled out of Ireland and France during my time with them and we were constantly wondering if they would quit the uk market too but so far they haven't done.
I think as martay said the best approach is to combine your mlm business with also using other suppliers then that way you're not putting all your eggs in one basket
martay said:What I spend and make right now is not indicative of what I have spent and made or what I will be spending and hopefully making, but I will answer as openly as I can...
Right now, today, and for the last 4 months or so, I have spent £3.50 per month (the fees for the company website etc)
I have been listing on ebay, and selling around £200-£250 per month (give or take a few quid)
That has been yielding me between £30 - £50 of profit.
The work involved was basically a few hours initially (maybe 5 or 6 in total) of comparing products from the company to products on Ebay, and trying to select some items I think will sell.
After the initial burst I have just left my listings running, only adding a couple of new listings occasionally, basically just leaving it to run on its own and have spent minimal amount of time on it, other than placing the order and leaving feedback I pretty much dont do anything with that now.
That sums up the specific details of that, however as I said that is not a true indicator of everything. For example when I started I began the catalogue route and then put that method to the side, with a load of catalogues invested in and not 100% recovered the costs for (though with ebay profit those costs are now covered)
Another thing is I have spent time and effort on the Company Facebook Group for dropshipping, all of which is basically voluntary as I have no team yet. I have done this because I was trying to lift this stigma I have somehow created for myself over there as being a wanker. I am not a wanker, and I hoped that helping out with the company would help remove that but not sure if it will
Over the last couple of months, I have also invested in a few domains, and have been working on my "Team Website" that |i will be using for recruiting etc. I have not included that cost or time above, as it is a "Personal Speculation" and not a result of any company guidance or training, and I have not begun that phase yet. i'm more than happy to share costs and time etc for that side of things but I would rather get it finished and rolling first
if thats too long an answer for you, tough, you asked
but seriously though if there is something you would like to ask I am more than happy to answer. I like this forum and I relate to the way you guys feel a lot, I just like the idea of MLM too, and I hope that chilling round here will help me to remain a "grounded network marketer"
martay said:sparkleandshine said:True martay, wikaniko is different in that its one of the only if not the only big mlm company that let's you sell on eBay and offers drop shipping, however could you not just find a wholesaler who drop ships, post their products on eBay, and earn 50% plus of the profits - and some sellers mark up a lot more than 50% - instead of 25% or whatever wikaniko pay you (25% is the mlm industry standard % commission). Surely after you've paid your eBay (10%) and PayPal (5%) fees there can't be much profit left for you? Does wikaniko charge you for the postage also?
I think what appeals about wikaniko for you most is the social validation and the feeling that you are a part of something - am I right?
I have not yet found a dropshipper that supplies the same products on a dropship basis.
You're correct that after fees etc, profit can be slim, around 10-15%, I have yet to invest much time in it though and it is not the only way I will be selling products, just happens to be a real easy way.
And no, social validation or being part of something is not the reason. At the moment, I am an outcast within the company, so "being part of something" per se, is not the reason for me being with them.
katykicker said:martay said:katykicker said:MLM is NOT my thing!
Yet, ironically, Clixsense is a type of MLM
Clixsense has made me over £1,000 in the last few months, while doing no work at all myself. Sounds like a lot less work than other MLMs. All I do is have my referral link here, and on my website. It takes care of itself. I don't spam anyone and I certainly don't have to post on Facebook pages
Let me rephrase what I said: Spamming people and bleating on and on about just one income source is NOT my thing ;D
I am not spamming people, and I hope you are not trying to imply me joining in this conversation constitutes "bleating on" about one source of income.
Clearly, whether you like to admit it or not, you are reaping the benefits of an MLM based payment system.
how you gained that income is beside the point. You guys are the ones saying "all mlm do this rubbish stuff", yet, as you have clearly stated, you earn a nice income from doing nothing from a website that is paying you on the work of your referrals.
This is MLM, you are making money from an MLM, and then bashing MLM.
What you really have a problem with is poor marketing practises from *most* MLM reps, because, as you stated, you actually earn an income that you are proud of, from an MLM company, for doing MLM work (referring others).
Also, on a final note, I also would never "Bleat on" about one income source. Just because I believe and support MLM, please dont presume such things.
katykicker said:Martay, this post makes you a hypocrite. You tell me not to 'presume such things' yet you've presumed that my post was about you, it wasn't. Your post also comes across as condescending, which doesn't fly with me at all. Don't presume to tell me what I do and don't know, or think about anything, I didn't do that for you. You've run off on a tangent when one isn't needed.
I had already made a post here, about someone on a Facebook group, and that is who my bleating on comment refers to, I'm sorry it touched on a nerve with you but you are just being paranoid. If I have a problem with someone, online or otherwise, I will say it as I don't take any prisoners. Believe me on that.
My post wasn't directed to anyone here as I rarely read the MLM based posts. I don't really mind how people choose to make their money, as not everyone here agrees with the methods I use, but I was annoyed with the one specific person I posted about, which is obvious when you read my previous post.
I rephrased my sentence, in the post you quoted me on so no need to say 'whether you like to admit it or not', clearly I agreed with you when you pointed it out.
I apologise that you have misconstrued my message, just to be clear (again) it wasn't aimed at you. I'd appreciate an apology back for your assumptions about me.