Matched Betting Discussion [OT] Discussion about Matched Betting II {Beginners Guide in 1st Post}

[askgar]

I thought the acca software is going to be included if you pay for a year sub to MCer

It will be included if you pay for the year sub NOW, they've said once the Acca Software is ready the price will go up (for the Acca + MC sub), and you probably won't be able to buy the year sub any more.

Reading the forum it looks like

• If you buy a yearly sub to Matchcatcher before the acca software releases, you all get that for free.
• The acca software and match catcher will be separate subscriptions (for £9.99 for MC and £? for acca software)
• There won't be combined subscriptions to MC and Acca.

It's hard to tell though as the information isn't all in one place.

 

[Jon]

I thought the acca software is going to be included if you pay for a year sub to MCer

It will be included if you pay for the year sub NOW, they've said once the Acca Software is ready the price will go up (for the Acca + MC sub), and you probably won't be able to buy the year sub any more.

buy the yearly sub lol

You will easily cover £100 odd in horse refunds soon enough to cover the cost and that price would then roll over each year it renews

I'm probably coming across as being blarzey when it comes to paying for membership to things that cost around £100 a year but because I know I will get more than that back I don't see it as a barrier

 

[Petrolman]

I thought the acca software is going to be included if you pay for a year sub to MCer

It will be included if you pay for the year sub NOW, they've said once the Acca Software is ready the price will go up (for the Acca + MC sub), and you probably won't be able to buy the year sub any more.

buy the yearly sub lol

You will easily cover £100 odd in horse refunds soon enough to cover the cost and that price would then roll over each year it renews

I'm probably coming across as being blarzey when it comes to paying for membership to things that cost around £100 a year but because I know I will get more than that back I don't see it as a barrier

I can see your point [member=1]Jon[/member] - I look at it as I so far have over £2500 profit and I'm lucky in the fact that I've not touched it yet as Its sitting in an account i wouldn't of otherwise had so It's a small dent and a few days of building it up again !

 

[auntygeek]

I thought the acca software is going to be included if you pay for a year sub to MCer

It will be included if you pay for the year sub NOW, they've said once the Acca Software is ready the price will go up (for the Acca + MC sub), and you probably won't be able to buy the year sub any more.

Reading the forum it looks like

• If you buy a yearly sub to Matchcatcher before the acca software releases, you all get that for free.
• The acca software and match catcher will be separate subscriptions (for £9.99 for MC and £? for acca software)
• There won't be combined subscriptions to MC and Acca.

It's hard to tell though as the information isn't all in one place.

THIS has changed everything

I've been having a free play with MC thanks to [member=1]Jon[/member] and managed to get two 2nd place refunds during Aintree I think... well that's paid for the first month's subscription as it is. I'm loathe to buy it now because I need to get sign-ups done and I don't want to have a subscription I'm not fully using yet being paid for...

HOWEVER I really want the acca software as I think acca refunds are the least gubby way to make money... unlike almost all other offers, you make money EVEN IF YOU DON'T GET THE FREE BET. Therefore as far as the bookie is concerned, you've lost a load of money and haven't had any free bets - but you're making profit.

This alone makes subscription to PA worthwhile... do any of the other competitor sites have the level of acca spreadsheets going down at PA? Do you [member=3587]OddsMonkey[/member] !?

Anyone have any idea when the acca software is coming? Do we assume that AT LEAST until the new odds matcher is up they won't be releasing it? I want to put off buying it as long as I can but I don't want to miss the boat... I already got into PA after they'd put the prices up... I paid £150 for a year and made that back within a couple of weeks.

 

[SimonP]

It was interesting to see the posts about the match software being pulled from various sites.
I had the email from Oddsmonkey saying that they hadn't done this and it was all lies.
There is now way people would all be saying the same thing if it wasn't true.

I was tempted by the Oddsmonkey offer as it would be cheaper than PA and you would have all the odds software that PA don't have yet. But now I am not sure. I don't use the mayching software anyway as I always find my own odds and matches. I don't think the match catcher would benefit me yet either as I don't do the Saturday horses as you still have to try and pick a 2nd place one and I struggle to do that.

I would be interested int he acca software as trying to find the matches for this can take loads of time. But then I wouldn't want to have to pay loads more a month on top of mu subs, even if I could make it back after a couple of bets.

I think it is a bad move from Oddsmonkey though and they may lose a few members from all of this.

 

[Jon]

It was interesting to see the posts about the match software being pulled from various sites.
I had the email from Oddsmonkey saying that they hadn't done this and it was all lies.
There is now way people would all be saying the same thing if it wasn't true.

I was tempted by the Oddsmonkey offer as it would be cheaper than PA and you would have all the odds software that PA don't have yet. But now I am not sure. I don't use the mayching software anyway as I always find my own odds and matches. I don't think the match catcher would benefit me yet either as I don't do the Saturday horses as you still have to try and pick a 2nd place one and I struggle to do that.

I would be interested int he acca software as trying to find the matches for this can take loads of time. But then I wouldn't want to have to pay loads more a month on top of mu subs, even if I could make it back after a couple of bets.

I think it is a bad move from Oddsmonkey though and they may lose a few members from all of this.

just on that note is it just luck really

I just use MCer and choose 1st or 2nd fav horses

the losses you make using MCer per bet is like 5-25p a time, it's insane

 

[Checky]

I've read a number of things between the whole Oddsmonkey & PA thing.... 1 side says it was pulled without notice... The other says a decision was made by the other to go a different route and to stop paying for the service.... Either way I don't think anyone will ever know the full truth behind it..... The new software PA are creating is just a version of Match Catcher.... Personally stopped using the oddsmatching stuff a while ago as I prefer to find my own odds... Can get different markets with interesting matches...

The Acca software I think will be a 1 way ticket to gubbsville for a lot of people... If everyone is just ploughing in the same Acca then the bookies are going to notice.... I posted one of the Lay all Thread with Hills and next day ended up with a gubbing email.... Co-incidence... I'm unsure... A new method got created in there and within a couple hours the terms on the Acca offer was changed to no longer make it viable...

Acca's themselves are easy to create yourself... Whether lay all or any of the other methods... Can create tonnes of different combinations and likely to be different to most other peoples...

 

[Pbrail]

Regarding PA and Oddsmonkey (and all the rest of it) - I think unless you have a pressing need to make a decision right now, it's not really worth over-thinking it all right this second.

As with most arguments, there is always going to be a 'your side', 'my side' and 'the truth' - the latter usually being somewhere in the middle

To me it's a watch and wait situation - let everyone duke it out and a couple of months from now the dust will settle and the situation will be a lot clearer all around. That all said, I find that I don't rely on Oddmatcher as much as I thought I would anyhow - I mostly use it for 'inspiration' for mugging.

I do just want to point out a small correction for [member=557]Layla[/member] though. The 30 minute Oddsmatcher updates you mentioned on PA is ONLY for the free trial. With a paid membership should update every minute or less I think, however with the higher % matches, they are liable to very fast changes in odds as obviously the bookies react to the markets to reduce the value asap, hence why they are liable to be out of date quickly.

If I had a quid every time I've already been on a bookie site placing a bet and the odds have changed between me looking and me placing on the betting slip/placing bet stage, I'd be a lot richer

 

[Jon]

well that's another £10 wasted on the Winner slot offer of the week!!!!

 

[Flexit]

I agree with Danny about the acca software, it could be helpful in the short term but in the long term I'm sure it will lead to faster gubbing.

It will be patently obvious to bookies when lots of people all hop onto the same configuration of acca. This is the kind of thing they already look out for, so I can't see how the acca software won't make it easier for them. Also if you pick your own matches, you can use your judgement about the kind of game it is and whether it is likely to arouse suspicion.

What I wonder about match catcher is if it is offering close matches, doesn't that go against the new PA advice of not taking high value matches?

 

[alexnied]

I wouldn't worry about arousing suspicion. Not for accas anyway. There's already a close match thread for that, and people come online at different times anyway. Besides, backing teams like Barca and Bayern aren't going to look conspicuous.

 

[stonecrows]

Match Catcher is for horses though, and surely if you're putting all your horse bets on really close odds, as per MC to get tiny qualifying losses, then that won't look good either. Might make it cheap to get refunds but I thought close odds on horses was discouraged, as [member=2600]Flexit[/member] says.

 

[auntygeek]

I agree with Danny about the acca software, it could be helpful in the short term but in the long term I'm sure it will lead to faster gubbing.

It will be patently obvious to bookies when lots of people all hop onto the same configuration of acca. This is the kind of thing they already look out for, so I can't see how the acca software won't make it easier for them. Also if you pick your own matches, you can use your judgement about the kind of game it is and whether it is likely to arouse suspicion.

What I wonder about match catcher is if it is offering close matches, doesn't that go against the new PA advice of not taking high value matches?

Yes and no... for me I have NEVER done the ones in the close match thread that involve a) a team I haven't heard of or b) anything less than top leagues.

As [member=3664]alexnied[/member] says... If you're doing an acca that is:

Leicester
Arsenal
Barcelona
Bayern
Juventus

Who are all playing poor sides and all favourites to win... that's an obvious acca surely, a load of people are going to use similar teams in some combination... and yes, everyone will be starting different days, with different legs... so one might be as above, the other might drop Leicester and add on PSG at the end... SO many combinations for 6+ legs.

Where the acca software will lead to gubbings is those SAME OLD STUPID people who will flood the bookies with a ton of 6 folds at £50 a pop having never done any trebles or doubles... never vary their stakes... GUBSVILLE.

For us savvy ones, we'll do:

£50 6 leg all low odds favourites
£25 8 leg
£30 5 leg with one higher odds
£40 mug double (no refund)

etc etc etc. All stakes and legs varied, all top teams and avoiding even Championship games. I would rather stick to Premier League, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A and that's it and do fewer accas, than have loads going with lower league teams.

I DO STILL WORRY about Match Catcher as [member=2607]stonecrows[/member] says... if you ONLY jump on the horse bet as there's a close match, won't they notice?

HOWEVER - and maybe [member=2600]Flexit[/member] [member=1315]Pbrail[/member] will know more... what I've seen from dipping my toe in the water is the odds change SO rapidly. You can jump on a close match and in 1-2 minutes it's suddenly a terrible match. Do the bookies know that exact moment that you jumped it was a close match? Does it even matter... is it only SP that matters?

There's so much I don't know about horse refunds. All I know is ONLY do them Saturdays, don't always do max stakes, don't overdo them.

 

[Petrolman]

I agree with [member=143]auntygeek[/member] I've never put on a full £50 acca or put multiple acca's on every week i spread them around at £10/20/30 and even use bookies that don't give a refund!! I've made more than I've lost mainly because I don't always lay the first one or two off and am quite happy with any profit.

I use Acca software but I adjust it to suit what I assume is ok in the eyes of the bookie

Two of my 6 fold Acca's went all the way recently but I only laid the last three selections total profit £65 but oh so could of been £800 plus lol - but at least a profit is a profit!!!

 

[Jon]

I've highlighted my above post to highlight the great bits

woohoo, perm 25% off MCer for me

 

[auntygeek]

A free month of acca software! Whoop. And two weeks worth free of MC - I'm gonna enjoy that

 

[Jon]

damn that was quick

I emailed them to request my ongoing 25% discount on Match Catcher and they have emailed back that it's already been done

 

[fowlr]

I'm glad they have done something. Seems silly to be paying for a matched betting service with a broken calculator and odds matcher.

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[Uhhhhh]

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Nothing on the first 4 spins but hit the Smash Bonus on the 5th and won £13 ;D

 

[SimonP]

I am happy that PA are going to do the free trial etc. It doesn't really affect me as I haven't had any issues as I don't use the software anyway.
What I would like from the acca software is just a nice long list of the low matches which could be used to make up the selections. I would never use any actual selections for a 5 leg or 6 leg etc as everyone else will do the same and yes it will be a red light to the bookies. Just a list that I can quickly pick all the options to create my own selections from.
Too many people want everything done for them and wonder why they get gubbed. I just want to be able to save the time of looking through all the upcoming fixtures and then make my own choice of what to use.
I am sure it will all work out in the end.


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